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Originally posted by ryan.joseph:
I said Branch was very good, you said pretty good. I said Brown was mediocre, you said he isnt a gamebreaker. I said Watson and Graham are solid, you agreed. The speedsters I named are average but they are fast, and can make some plays. Vrabel is awesome in the red zone and you cant name 5 backs that cath better than Faulk. You said a lot of nothing. By the way, Caldwell is about the equivalent of Justin Gage, the Titans #1 WR. Get a clue.

Vrabel gets the ball about three times per year...wow, thats really proving a lot there. And nice job choping and changing my post-why don't you use full quotes next time to put it in context? Saying a WR is fast in the NFL is like saying a MLB player can hit the ball...its kinda assumed. The three you mentioned are fast but thats about it...poor route runners and they drop a lot of balls-the fact Brady made them look somewhat decent is entirely due to how good he is. Remind me again the kind of numbers Dwight, Bethel Johnson, Davis, and Givens are having on other teams? If their as great as you're alluding to, their production surely wouldn't taper off, now would it?

Seriously, if you're actually trying to make the argument that those WRs are in elite company in the NFL, the only one your fooling is yourself. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with some of the garbage thats come out of your posts-but lay off the pipe before posting here

Are you tooting lines and then posting? Do you not understand that you agreed that Tom had weapons? He had at least 3 or 4 in each year, while VY has virtually none. Im still waiting for you to tell me the weapons VY has Mr. Genius. My bet is that you give a lot of garbage and continue to avoid the real question. Old habits are hard to break.

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Originally posted by ArgoGator88:

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Originally posted by jaredholmes27:

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Originally posted by Osiris:
Just happened upon this vid...check it out starting about 2:50

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6IGUiDZmcY&feature=related

I can't believe how bad his lower body strength and balance is. How can someone be the #1 recruit in the nation when he can't step forward without falling to one side? hmmm.

They call him Tebow v2.0. I don't think he's going to be powering through anyone in Division-1 anytime soon. He's not even Cam Newton 2.0.

Wow, how do you spin out of a sack with that kind of balance and strength? Who was he playing against in HS?

Also, they measured him at 6'3" 225. A little smaller than the 6'6" 235 he was supposed to be.

(Also, gotta love the guy at the beginning Hi Jim )

They actually call him Vince Young 2.0 because he's a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.

VY was more of a threat to score than Tebow every time he touched the ball? In Vince's most productive year (Senior season), with his combined 480 passing and rushing touches, he scored 38 TDs...thats roughly 13 touches per TD. Tebow on the other hand, in his 560 pass/rush touches, scored 55 times, which works out to right around 10 touches per TD. How is it that VY was more of a scoring threat when he needed more plays to do so?

Vince Young is a threat to score "himself" anywhere on the field. He can be at his own 20 and break off an 80 yard touchdown run. That's what I mean.

Tim Tebow isn't going to run 80 yards and score against anyone. That's not him.

That was a very good video. One of the areas they are working on to help reduce injuries is they are going to study safer ways to celebrate kick return touchdowns.

Where can I buy a pair of shorts like that?

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Originally posted by cloveall1984:

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Originally posted by ryan.joseph:
I love Tebow too, but he doesnt even compare to VY. In fact, no college QB in history will ever match his title game performance. Ran and passed for 200, case closed. All you have to do is imagine our offense with VY. All of our 4.3 guys to go with a 4.4 QB! Talk about unstoppable.

VY also played against some pretty crappy Big 12 teams as well, and he was the definition of a ball hawk, which is why he is struggling in the NFL

Vince Young has also played with Big 12 talent too. A ball hawk? How was Vince a ball hawk in college?

They ran the "zone-read play" and he had 4 other running backs carry the ball 75 times or more.

He only carried the ball 155 times in 2005, Tebow carried the ball 210 times last season.

So, is Tebow a "ball hawk"?

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Originally posted by GatorKen:

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Originally posted by ArgoGator88:

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Originally posted by jaredholmes27:

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Originally posted by Osiris:
Just happened upon this vid...check it out starting about 2:50

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6IGUiDZmcY&feature=related

I can't believe how bad his lower body strength and balance is. How can someone be the #1 recruit in the nation when he can't step forward without falling to one side? hmmm.

They call him Tebow v2.0. I don't think he's going to be powering through anyone in Division-1 anytime soon. He's not even Cam Newton 2.0.

Wow, how do you spin out of a sack with that kind of balance and strength? Who was he playing against in HS?

Also, they measured him at 6'3" 225. A little smaller than the 6'6" 235 he was supposed to be.

(Also, gotta love the guy at the beginning Hi Jim )

They actually call him Vince Young 2.0 because he's a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.

VY was more of a threat to score than Tebow every time he touched the ball? In Vince's most productive year (Senior season), with his combined 480 passing and rushing touches, he scored 38 TDs...thats roughly 13 touches per TD. Tebow on the other hand, in his 560 pass/rush touches, scored 55 times, which works out to right around 10 touches per TD. How is it that VY was more of a scoring threat when he needed more plays to do so?

I agree. Tebow is a far greater threat than VY in college football.

His intangibles are way better too. Strength of charcter, leadership, etc. How long do you think the NFL background check would last for any team thinking of drafting Tebow. Less than a nanosecond.

I don't know if CFB has seen a leader like Vince Young. The team followed his every move and he lead the to victory in 30 of his 32 starts. He carried a team to a NC almost single handedly, if that's not leadership I don't know what is..........

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Originally posted by ryan.joseph:
Are you tooting lines and then posting? Do you not understand that you agreed that Tom had weapons? He had at least 3 or 4 in each year, while VY has virtually none. Im still waiting for you to tell me the weapons VY has Mr. Genius. My bet is that you give a lot of garbage and continue to avoid the real question. Old habits are hard to break.

This probably confirms your status as the dumbest non-troll on here. I said about ten posts back that I agree with you that VY does not have much (if any) talent on the WR end. Try reading next time before posting.

My point is that Brady didn't have all-star talent around him either-but he still managed amazing numbers anyway. If anyone's avoiding questions, its you. I said, quite clearly (and will gladly highlight it for you if you have trouble reading it...again), go look at Dwight, Johnson, Davis, and even Caldwell's numbers this past year and see if they come anywhere close to what they had under Brady.

Then, if you're really up for a challenge, go look up all the old ESPN and other pro football sports columns that applaud Brady for the great job he's doing with sub-par talent. And if you're too lazy to go back a few years, any of the articles that came out this year that say "this is what happens when you match a great QB with great weapons at WR."

Nowhere did I say that Brady's WR cast of two and three years ago was anywhere close to being a "weapon." Hell, even Branch has struggled away from the Patriots and not come close to matching his numbers when he was with the Pats. Please, please tell me where I said that Brady had "weapons" to throw to in the past few years before this one. The most I ever said was that a WR was pretty good-and even then, its pretty clear that when they switch teams and go away from Brady, their numbers go down significantly.

Just because their numbers go down doesnt necessarily mean they arent productive WR's. There are many reasons that a WR can struggle on a new team. They could get teamed up with a weaker QB, have a bad OC, get on a team with no defense, etc. Don't forget that the Pats D has been tops the last half decade, it's not all Brady that makes New England a dynasty. New England doenst have the best WR's, but Brady has LOTS of talent compared to what VY has. Again, Mr. Genius, tell me the good players that compliment VY, if theyre any.

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Originally posted by ryan.joseph:
Just because their numbers go down doesnt necessarily mean they arent productive WR's. There are many reasons that a WR can struggle on a new team. They could get teamed up with a weaker QB, have a bad OC, get on a team with no defense, etc. Don't forget that the Pats D has been tops the last half decade, it's not all Brady that makes New England a dynasty. New England doenst have the best WR's, but Brady has LOTS of talent compared to what VY has. Again, Mr. Genius, tell me the good players that compliment VY, if theyre any.

Christ, you're too stupid to realize when someone's actually agreeing with you.

VY has had Chris Henry and LenDale White (both RBs had over a 1000 yards the past two seasons-along with a decent backup in Chris Brown). Considering VY's main threat is the running game, having good to above-average RBs is all you need to maximize his talents. VY is a decent passer (it'll never be his strength, but he's good at it) and last year had two WRs over 700 yards (Gage and Williams). As I've said all along, VY has never had steller weapons in the WR game (one thing we do agree on).

And if you're so smart, then tell me why Davis, Caldwell, Dwight, and Johnson have never been as productive at ANY other team in ANY part of their careers as they were under Brady?

Man gimme a break. Brady's WR's have ALWAYS been better than what VY has now. Justin Gagae is the "#1" guy, go figure! Those guys you named arent top guys, but they werent expected to catch 80 balls a year, just a few here and there. If VY had just one good WR, Tennessee would become super dangerous.

Gage*

Uh...back to the topic of Terrelle Pryor...the kid will probably turn out to be an average quarterback in college. I'd be surprised if he has a Dennis Dixon type of career.

go ahead and assume Pryor will be average.... OSU fans said the same things about Tebow...

The kid can flat-out play, he'll do fine at OSU...

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Originally posted by jaredholmes27:

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Originally posted by ArgoGator88:

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Originally posted by jaredholmes27:

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Originally posted by Osiris:
Just happened upon this vid...check it out starting about 2:50

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6IGUiDZmcY&feature=related

I can't believe how bad his lower body strength and balance is. How can someone be the #1 recruit in the nation when he can't step forward without falling to one side? hmmm.

They call him Tebow v2.0. I don't think he's going to be powering through anyone in Division-1 anytime soon. He's not even Cam Newton 2.0.

Wow, how do you spin out of a sack with that kind of balance and strength? Who was he playing against in HS?

Also, they measured him at 6'3" 225. A little smaller than the 6'6" 235 he was supposed to be.

(Also, gotta love the guy at the beginning Hi Jim )

They actually call him Vince Young 2.0 because he's a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.

VY was more of a threat to score than Tebow every time he touched the ball? In Vince's most productive year (Senior season), with his combined 480 passing and rushing touches, he scored 38 TDs...thats roughly 13 touches per TD. Tebow on the other hand, in his 560 pass/rush touches, scored 55 times, which works out to right around 10 touches per TD. How is it that VY was more of a scoring threat when he needed more plays to do so?

Vince Young is a threat to score "himself" anywhere on the field. He can be at his own 20 and break off an 80 yard touchdown run. That's what I mean.

Tim Tebow isn't going to run 80 yards and score against anyone. That's not him.

VY only had one 80 yd TD run, against Ok. State. His second longest run was for 33 yards and from there it drops off to runs of about 15 yards and fewer...many of which were of the 5 yard and less variety, much like Tebow's.

But even with Young's longer TD runs, disregard his passing and compare plays where ONLY VY and Tebow touch the ball. Young still scored less often.

Saying Young was more of a threat to score just because he had a couple longer runs, when by the numbers (you know, the ones that reflect how much scoring actually happened) he wasn't is ignorant. There's nothing that Vince has that Tim doesn't as it pertains to being able to run for a long TD with the exception of VY having a little (and I mean less than .10 sec) more speed. If you don't think Tim has the ability to break away and elude defenders, break open down field and elude more along the way, go watch his first TD run against a defense better and faster than Ok. State's in last years FSU game.

Vince Young is a solid scrambler, but is not fast - Michael Vick would blow his doors off. I'd be willing to bet Tebow has a fast 40-yard time than Young. To make a statement saying Young could take it 80 yards at any moment is ludicrous.