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I'm going to be brutally honest with you guys: I really don't think he'd be that great of a head coach. Has he developed into a solid defensive coordinator? Yes, but then again, it's UF and he's got a head coach now who places a strong emphasis on defensive recruiting. I also think UF's assistant Defensive coaches are underrated...Heater, definitely McCarney (who should get a head job again before Strong, imo), Bedford (who made an instant impact with UF's secondary after beating UF with Michigan and being part of one of the few staffs that was able to lock down Percy Harvin). These guys are probably your true difference makers.

Everyone says that the major difference with Strong is that Zook handcuffed him but Meyer has turned him loose. Zook vehemently denies those allegations and, even though I think Zook is a loser, I doubt he's lying. I think it's like Spurrier said: Strong has evolved within the past few years and it's probably been a case of the other coaches influencing him rather than Meyer "taking off Zook's handcuffs."

I guess he deserves a chance, at least. But if I was an AD at a major program, I wouldn't hire him. He'd need to have shown me he could win at somewhere like FIU or Louisiana-Monroe before I would hand him the keys to my program. Being a successful coordinator at programs like Miami, FSU, and Florida is one thing...running those programs is another. We have had that experience with Coach Shannon, who was a Frank BRoyles "Assistant of the Year" award winner and even on a lot of Gator fans shortlist to replace Ron Zook. He's a great guy and 110% Cane...but he still had to do "On the Job Training" and we took our lumps for 2 years before getting back to championship contention and elite status this year.

So, it basically boils down to is the program going to be patient for potentially 3-5 years before Strong can learn on the job enough to begin truly competing. Because I seriously doubt he would field a contender right away.

He's not Bob Stoops.


Thanks for your "honesty". Now go hang yourself.


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Mr. SEC I really don't get where you're getting your source information from. I think you're just pulling it out your a**. Break out the "story" of the time you met Strong. I just don't believe that Strong could have survived the Meyer transition if he didn't interview well. Public speaking is his downfall? Give me the proof. Where are these interviews where he's sounding like an idiot? The media loves a juicy story, they'd be piling on if they could make CS look like an uneducated retard!



I could be wrong...but I thought they ran into each other at ND in the mid 90's. Again, I'm not sure but I thought they new each other from before. If not I would assume that Holtz put in all the words he needed to stay on board.
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I'm going to be brutally honest with you, Cainetard, CS is far better than Mr. Mediocrity Randy Shannon.

When CS does get a job, it won't be because the team that hires him couldn't afford a real coach.
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McCarney WAS a HC...look where he is now.

No doubt being on the Gator's staff will give him the fast track to being a HC again...but it will be at a very low tier school.


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I'm going to be brutally honest with you guys: I really don't think he'd be that great of a head coach. Has he developed into a solid defensive coordinator? Yes, but then again, it's UF and he's got a head coach now who places a strong emphasis on defensive recruiting. I also think UF's assistant Defensive coaches are underrated...Heater, definitely McCarney (who should get a head job again before Strong, imo), Bedford (who made an instant impact with UF's secondary after beating UF with Michigan and being part of one of the few staffs that was able to lock down Percy Harvin). These guys are probably your true difference makers.

Everyone says that the major difference with Strong is that Zook handcuffed him but Meyer has turned him loose. Zook vehemently denies those allegations and, even though I think Zook is a loser, I doubt he's lying. I think it's like Spurrier said: Strong has evolved within the past few years and it's probably been a case of the other coaches influencing him rather than Meyer "taking off Zook's handcuffs."

I guess he deserves a chance, at least. But if I was an AD at a major program, I wouldn't hire him. He'd need to have shown me he could win at somewhere like FIU or Louisiana-Monroe before I would hand him the keys to my program. Being a successful coordinator at programs like Miami, FSU, and Florida is one thing...running those programs is another. We have had that experience with Coach Shannon, who was a Frank BRoyles "Assistant of the Year" award winner and even on a lot of Gator fans shortlist to replace Ron Zook. He's a great guy and 110% Cane...but he still had to do "On the Job Training" and we took our lumps for 2 years before getting back to championship contention and elite status this year.

So, it basically boils down to is the program going to be patient for potentially 3-5 years before Strong can learn on the job enough to begin truly competing. Because I seriously doubt he would field a contender right away.

He's not Bob Stoops.


When did residing outside the top ten begin to equate Elite or Championship Contention?
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Originally posted by CaneThing:
I'm going to be brutally honest with you guys: I really don't think he'd be that great of a head coach. Has he developed into a solid defensive coordinator? Yes, but then again, it's UF and he's got a head coach now who places a strong emphasis on defensive recruiting. I also think UF's assistant Defensive coaches are underrated...Heater, definitely McCarney (who should get a head job again before Strong, imo), Bedford (who made an instant impact with UF's secondary after beating UF with Michigan and being part of one of the few staffs that was able to lock down Percy Harvin). These guys are probably your true difference makers.

Everyone says that the major difference with Strong is that Zook handcuffed him but Meyer has turned him loose. Zook vehemently denies those allegations and, even though I think Zook is a loser, I doubt he's lying. I think it's like Spurrier said: Strong has evolved within the past few years and it's probably been a case of the other coaches influencing him rather than Meyer "taking off Zook's handcuffs."

I guess he deserves a chance, at least. But if I was an AD at a major program, I wouldn't hire him. He'd need to have shown me he could win at somewhere like FIU or Louisiana-Monroe before I would hand him the keys to my program. Being a successful coordinator at programs like Miami, FSU, and Florida is one thing...running those programs is another. We have had that experience with Coach Shannon, who was a Frank BRoyles "Assistant of the Year" award winner and even on a lot of Gator fans shortlist to replace Ron Zook. He's a great guy and 110% Cane...but he still had to do "On the Job Training" and we took our lumps for 2 years before getting back to championship contention and elite status this year.

So, it basically boils down to is the program going to be patient for potentially 3-5 years before Strong can learn on the job enough to begin truly competing. Because I seriously doubt he would field a contender right away.

He's not Bob Stoops.


When did residing outside the top ten begin to equate Elite or Championship Contention?


It's a Cane thing we are not supposed to understand it!

Oh and this will help them more then we will ever know.
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I think he is a lock for UVA frankly but I also agree that he may not do so well as a HBC. I have alot of respect for Charlie but some guys just arent cut out for the head position. Ever wonder why Mickey Andrews or Bud Foster have'nt make that jump? I think he would do better if he made a move to the NFL and worked his way through in that capacity. No recruiting visits and no Boosters and good asst. coaches.


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Granted, CS/Holtz/Meyer might have a connection, but there's no way if CS didn't have a solid mind Meyer would have kept him around.

Bottom line, CS has the resume for a shot at being a HC. Obviously, CS has not risen to the level of his incompetence (Peter Principle) and we'll just have to see. To think that race and race relations has played no part is ridiculous.

The Auburn situation was clear (to me) and it's not like CS has interviewed for jobs where they hired a black HBC behind him. But CS has never struck me as a militant, race baiter, so if he says that he believes race played a part...I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. It happens. I'm not expressing a view on that fact either way, I'm just saying it's a reality!
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