Well first off, I'm not going to castigate someone based on an article from "The Scene" based on "a Punch Source".

And most places do include the tip in the bill with large parties or large bills.....so I'm not so sure about this one.

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Originally posted by ufgatorfan97:

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Originally posted by anmpunk:

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Originally posted by ufgatorfan97:
A lot of restaurants will include an 18% gratuity to the bill, especially nice restaurants. It is possible that King Lebron thought it was already included and did not review the bill.

im gonna stay out of this for the most part befcause i cant handle the ignorance of those who have never waited tables yet have an opinion on this stuff.

I waited tables for 7+ years during college. I am fully aware of tipshare, 18% (or whatever percent) not being applied to tax, and the poor hourly wages (usually half of minimum wage).

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First of all gratuity is on the food and drink not the tax so the server actually recieves less than %18. it is often insulting to the party to grat a check.

servers usually have to pay tipshare to the bussers and hostess which was 3% of TOTAL SALES for the night which means if you had a crappy night making 10% tips you recieve much less than that.

i have had tons of crappy service and agree that if you get bad service you get a bad tip but that is not the way it works with most poor tippers.

severs often make 2.83 an hour which includes while doing hours of sidework before and after shift.

i get bad service they get a 10% tip. or less on rare occaisions. bad service to me is bad attitude not slow service. i have worked with a lot of scumbags in that industry but a lot of good people too.

a bad tipper is a slap in the face. u will pay for the food but not the service.

I don't disagree with your input. Frankly, I don't see how it is a logical response to my post.

Me: Possible that Lebron thought it was included
You: bad tippers suck and cost the waiter even more money!!!!!11!eleven!!

Having experienced bad tips from time to time, I'm fully aware of the process and will feel free to continue to have an opinion on it.

I suppose it is possible that you didn't intend to quote me, or that your first sentence after you quoted me was not directed at me specifically. If so, my apologies.

the only part of my post referring to you was about the 18%. agreed it was not worded well but if you worked as a server then you understand what i am talking about.

also i didnt elaborate but many places give the option to the server to grat a table because it can be an insult to a party who tips well and appreciates good service.

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Originally posted by anmpunk:
the only part of my post referring to you was about the 18%. agreed it was not worded well but if you worked as a server then you understand what i am talking about.

also i didnt elaborate but many places give the option to the server to grat a table because it can be an insult to a party who tips well and appreciates good service.

Duly noted. As a former server, I find the 18% odd. If the service was good, I may be inclined to tip a bit more. If the service was bad, I'm perturbed at having to give 18% and may even speak to a manager.

Thanks for your clarification. Sorry if I came off as insulting.

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Originally posted by ufgatorfan97:

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Originally posted by anmpunk:
the only part of my post referring to you was about the 18%. agreed it was not worded well but if you worked as a server then you understand what i am talking about.

also i didnt elaborate but many places give the option to the server to grat a table because it can be an insult to a party who tips well and appreciates good service.

Duly noted. As a former server, I find the 18% odd. If the service was good, I may be inclined to tip a bit more. If the service was bad, I'm perturbed at having to give 18% and may even speak to a manager.

Thanks for your clarification. Sorry if I came off as insulting.

no worries. i worded it poorly.

I'm gonna go with the tipping is optional side. Maybe the service wasn't very good. Sure they may have gotten food and their drinks but in what manner? Often times I have been out and service was horrible. I think service as a whole from servers has gone down in quality. Maybe this server had a bad attitude, or was pesky. He's a big NBA star so maybe they were just being bothersome.


Anyways I've worked in a resturaunt for almost 10 years and I've heard servers complain far to often about how crappy their lives are and how they do not make money. One they made more than I did and I'm pretty sure I did more work and my job was harder than theirs. So I don't feel pitty for them. They dictate their pay by attitude and service and if they want more then they can go to a more qualified place or they can get an education rather than doing a service where you hardly need a GED to work it.

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Originally posted by GatorKen:
I'm gonna go with the tipping is optional side. Maybe the service wasn't very good. Sure they may have gotten food and their drinks but in what manner? Often times I have been out and service was horrible. I think service as a whole from servers has gone down in quality. Maybe this server had a bad attitude, or was pesky. He's a big NBA star so maybe they were just being bothersome.


Anyways I've worked in a resturaunt for almost 10 years and I've heard servers complain far to often about how crappy their lives are and how they do not make money. One they made more than I did and I'm pretty sure I did more work and my job was harder than theirs. So I don't feel pitty for them. They dictate their pay by attitude and service and if they want more then they can go to a more qualified place or they can get an education rather than doing a service where you hardly need a GED to work it.

thakn god i dont wait tables anymore with this people like this around.

i agree quality of service has gone down but bat tippers are bad regardless of quality of service.

difficulty of work isn't always measured by rank and responsibility. serving night in and night out is tough.

tipping is optional? then pay the servers minimum wage instead of the 2.13 an hour it was when i worked.

guess it doesn't matter then that a stifdf or $10 tip on a bill that big actually costs the server out of opcket.

wtvr. it is impossible to make a judgement on this particular case because who really knows the facts but the tipping optional attitude is irritating.

many of my worst tips came from the nicest tables who were complimentary of the service.

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Originally posted by GatorKen:
I'm gonna go with the tipping is optional side. Maybe the service wasn't very good. Sure they may have gotten food and their drinks but in what manner? Often times I have been out and service was horrible. I think service as a whole from servers has gone down in quality. Maybe this server had a bad attitude, or was pesky. He's a big NBA star so maybe they were just being bothersome.


Anyways I've worked in a resturaunt for almost 10 years and I've heard servers complain far to often about how crappy their lives are and how they do not make money. One they made more than I did and I'm pretty sure I did more work and my job was harder than theirs. So I don't feel pitty for them. They dictate their pay by attitude and service and if they want more then they can go to a more qualified place or they can get an education rather than doing a service where you hardly need a GED to work it.

Out of curiosity, if you go somewhere and get unbelievable service, what would you tip as a percentage?

Oh, and I waited tables at the Outback in Ocala on SR200 for 4.5 years. I see you are located there. Hope you never stiffed me.

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Originally posted by CelebrationFLGator:
And we are supposed to believe everything we read on the internet and from a waiter.

Exactly! This whole story is simply heresay. I could easily make up a similar story about anyone I wanted. This was obviously written by a rival fan-sportswriter/Lebron hater. Worthless.......

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Originally posted by Nkozyra:
So he's a POS because of an anecdote that you only heard one side of?

Maybe Lebron realizes that tipping is optional - people forget that these days. Maybe the service was not worthy of anything more than 1%. Tough to say when the anecdote shared above is full of such clearly accurate and unbiased descriptions such as "King Lebron."

Nice post....

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Originally posted by ufgatorfan97:

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Originally posted by GatorKen:
I'm gonna go with the tipping is optional side. Maybe the service wasn't very good. Sure they may have gotten food and their drinks but in what manner? Often times I have been out and service was horrible. I think service as a whole from servers has gone down in quality. Maybe this server had a bad attitude, or was pesky. He's a big NBA star so maybe they were just being bothersome.


Anyways I've worked in a resturaunt for almost 10 years and I've heard servers complain far to often about how crappy their lives are and how they do not make money. One they made more than I did and I'm pretty sure I did more work and my job was harder than theirs. So I don't feel pitty for them. They dictate their pay by attitude and service and if they want more then they can go to a more qualified place or they can get an education rather than doing a service where you hardly need a GED to work it.

Out of curiosity, if you go somewhere and get unbelievable service, what would you tip as a percentage?

Oh, and I waited tables at the Outback in Ocala on SR200 for 4.5 years. I see you are located there. Hope you never stiffed me.

If the service is good I tip over 20% on big bills 150-200 dollars. But I also have tipped 5-20 dollars on a 10 dollar tab. And to answer your question about stiffing you, I don't eat at outback. On the rare occasion that I went out for steak I would go to lone star which was across the street. I liked their steaks better and they seemed to understand rare to med Rare better than others. But usually I cook my own steaks, I think I cook them to perfection

Some of you are in denial. Yes, everyone deserves benefit of the doubt when an article is based on heresay. The point is that in Lebron's case he's known for doing it at that restaurant on more than one occasion and all around Cleveland.

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Originally posted by josh.joseph:
Some of you are in denial. Yes, everyone deserves benefit of the doubt when an article is based on heresay. The point is that in Lebron's case he's known for doing it at that restaurant on more than one occasion and all around Cleveland.

again who cares? tipping is optional. One is not a bad person because they don't tip well.

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Originally posted by GatorKen:
I liked their steaks better and they seemed to understand rare to med Rare better than others. But usually I cook my own steaks, I think I cook them to perfection

HERESEY!!

However, I will be by tomorrow afternoon for one of your home cooked steaks. =)

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Originally posted by GatorKen:

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Originally posted by josh.joseph:
Some of you are in denial. Yes, everyone deserves benefit of the doubt when an article is based on heresay. The point is that in Lebron's case he's known for doing it at that restaurant on more than one occasion and all around Cleveland.

again who cares? tipping is optional. One is not a bad person because they don't tip well.

While optional, it is expected and customary. It is how our society pays servers. If it were viewed as optional, restaurants would pay their wait staff better. Since they do not, and they likely never will, tipping will continue to be their main form of income. Lets hope the vast majority never view it as optional.

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Originally posted by ufgatorfan97:

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Originally posted by GatorKen:

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Originally posted by josh.joseph:
Some of you are in denial. Yes, everyone deserves benefit of the doubt when an article is based on heresay. The point is that in Lebron's case he's known for doing it at that restaurant on more than one occasion and all around Cleveland.

again who cares? tipping is optional. One is not a bad person because they don't tip well.

While optional, it is expected and customary. It is how our society pays servers. If it were viewed as optional, restaurants would pay their wait staff better. Since they do not, and they likely never will, tipping will continue to be their main form of income. Lets hope the vast majority never view it as optional.

lol wait till end of summer when I move to an APT then you can come over for some steak Right now the situation isn't exactly best for bringing new people around.


And soon tipping will not be optional as more and more places are putting the tip on the bill which I like that idea. But the wait staff gets paid the way they get paid because they can earn so much on tips. They really dictate their income. To say they do not is just not really looking at the situation. Some servers make their money by turning tables quickly, others by providing personal quality service then others don't make much at all but those are generally unpleasant people to be around anyways.

But it still does not conclude that a person is a bad person simply because they do not tip well.

He deserved to be gone.

I know we could use him and he was becoming a good player, but what he did was ridiculous.

He won't be missed.

Not by me anyways.

This is Will Hill's chance to show the coaches he can start or at least earn playing time whether it's on defense or special teams.

He is too talented of a player to redshirt.

He has the talent to start at FS right away.

That is what I think at least.

And I'm sticking to it.

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Originally posted by gators919:
He deserved to be gone.

I know we could use him and he was becoming a good player, but what he did was ridiculous.

He won't be missed.

Not by me anyways.

This is Will Hill's chance to show the coaches he can start or at least earn playing time whether it's on defense or special teams.

He is too talented of a player to redshirt.

He has the talent to start at FS right away.

That is what I think at least.

And I'm sticking to it.

this is the Labron James thread. Hornsby threads are everywhere else But thanks for the comments Lets hope your 11th post is in the right thread

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I rarely respond to posts, but this deserves it. For the record, I was a waiter all thru my UF days. I am also exceedingly well off presently. My 16 year old daughter understands that if you can't tip correctly, then don't order the food. In my days in G'ville I worked to support my education and for play money(I was lucky as I have/had parents to fall back if needed). That being said, I worked with a number of great people(single uneducated moms) who waiting was their main/only source of income to pay for their living expenses or children. While lousy service is not acceptable neither is lousy tipping or behavior from someone as fortunate as Lebron or even anyone of a lower earning capability. Just by the fact that the waiters stayed and served him until approx. 3:45 A.M. infers/qualifies as going beyond normal service. As is true in most cases, wealth does not confer class/empathy or understanding of others less fortunate. It is something you are raised by others to understand. So be it. Athletes are not in my definition roles models due to their skills, but due to there behavior off the court/field(ie Warrick Dunn, Emmitt Smith, Tim Tebow). And life goes on

so someone reports that LBJ just left a $10 tip, and you all just automatically accept it? Wow, do I have some beachfront property to sell you.



I can't help but be drawn into the tipping discussion, though. So you know, I worked as a waiter for three years, and I, personally, have pretty much NEVER left less than 16%. That said, I am annoyed by people who wait tables that seem to think they DESERVE 20%. Take this example. On an $800 bill, 20% would be $160. It is doubtful that this was the only table that the waiter had that night, but even assuming it was, and even assuming the King was there for 3 hours (which is about twice as long as the typical person), that waiter made $53/hour + his hourly wage (as stated earlier, usually ~$2.75/hr). This calculates out to >$110,000 a year. Do you really think someone deserves to make six figures for a job that you don't need a college degree or extremely rare ability/talent for?? Don't get me wrong, I know that waiters work hard for their money...but so do Subway employees. So do a lot of people making minimum wage. By comparison, I only made $7/hr WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE five years ago. My Mom worked as a hospital director (i.e. the 3rd highest position in the company) for years, and had not one, but TWO Master's degrees, and only made $40-55k per year. It really bothers me when waiter think they are the only people that work hard, and EXPECT people to tip them really well, b/c after all, otherwise they'd "only" make $20-$30/hr (the equivalent of $40-60k/yr)...for a job that they didn't need to invest thousands of dollars in a degree for. When I worked as a waiter, and I made 15% on the meals I served that day, I was GRATEFUL, b/c I knew I was still making more than a lot of people with my skills/education/qualifications were making.