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OK, so after yesterday's practice we learned that Coach Meyer is pleased with the defense's performance so far. Hallelujah!

Considering the fact that we know Meyer tells it like it is, I wonder if the defense's early success is simply a byproduct of the offense's no-huddle learning curve (especially with the news that Patchan is getting switched to the other side of the ball). Or is the new coaching blood injecting new life into our defense? Thoughts?


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“We’re improving on defense,” Meyer said. “I’m not very pleased, (but) I’m pleased with what the defense has done in the last couple days.”

The last two practices have ended with the offense having to run because of losing to the defense in 11-on-11 drills.

Meyer said the two most encouraging things he’s gathered from practice so far have been the defense’s improvement and the play of the secondary.

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Also interesting...
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Patchan plays both ways
Meyer said after Monday’s practice that he didn’t think the defensive line had progressed. On Wednesday, it looked as though he might have a solution.

Enter freshman and early enrollee Matt Patchan. The 6-foot-6, 238-pound offensive lineman from Seffner worked at defensive tackle and Meyer said Patchan’s immediate future could be on defense.

“We moved him full-time defense right now and he’s getting his extra work on offense,” he said. “We need help on defense and I think he’ll get on the field faster that way.”



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I don't like the fact that our D-line is apparently not what it should be.

Our corners, who look to be improved, will only look as good as the D-Line their playing with.

Something about Patchan seems like it could be really a good idea...I'm excited to see how that develops.
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“We’re improving on defense,” Meyer said. “I’m not very pleased, (but) I’m pleased with what the defense has done in the last couple days.”

The last two practices have ended with the offense having to run because of losing to the defense in 11-on-11 drills.

Meyer said the two most encouraging things he’s gathered from practice so far have been the defense’s improvement and the play of the secondary.

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Also interesting...
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Patchan plays both ways
Meyer said after Monday’s practice that he didn’t think the defensive line had progressed. On Wednesday, it looked as though he might have a solution.

Enter freshman and early enrollee Matt Patchan. The 6-foot-6, 238-pound offensive lineman from Seffner worked at defensive tackle and Meyer said Patchan’s immediate future could be on defense.

“We moved him full-time defense right now and he’s getting his extra work on offense,” he said. “We need help on defense and I think he’ll get on the field faster that way.”



Those are two of the quotes I was referring to. Here is the 3rd:

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While Meyer said he’s concerned with the lack of the production out of the offense, he admits that he’s tinkering with running the no huddle, which could be a reason for the poor play.

"On offense, we’re not going to be a full-time, no-huddle team. We’re just forcing ourselves to mess with it a little bit," Meyer said. "We’re tempted to go back to what we were because we were a decent offense a year ago."


So, if you reconcile the 3 quotes, the conclusion can be made that the defense hasn't really proven much yet since they are going against an offense which is stuggling to implement the new no-huddle system. The fact that the d-line needs an offensive guy to "come to the rescue" further supports this conclusion.

However, as an orange-and-blue kool aid drinker, I am an optimist who wants to be convinced I am wrong about this. Help me out here....

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You scared the hell out of me with Patchen's weight from that article. He's not 238...he must be 283.


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I don't like the fact that our D-line is apparently not what it should be.

Our corners, who look to be improved, will only look as good as the D-Line their playing with.

Something about Patchan seems like it could be really a good idea...I'm excited to see how that develops.


Agreed. I'm also excited (yet tempered with concern) about Patchan's switch. It sounds like he's got great speed.

“I’m more of a speed guy myself, so I’m well suited for a speed defensive end as opposed to the 350-pound defensive tackles,” said Patchan, who is recovering from shoulder surgery. “Playing in Tampa, we had a lot of fast guys at Armwood, too. I got to go up against fast guys since I was a freshman in high school too.”

BUT don't we need the "big daddies" in the middle (guys like Omar Hunter)? I thought we have enough speed guys on the ends.


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I don't like the fact that our D-line is apparently not what it should be.

Our corners, who look to be improved, will only look as good as the D-Line their playing with.

Something about Patchan seems like it could be really a good idea...I'm excited to see how that develops.


Agreed. I'm also excited (yet tempered with concern) about Patchan's switch. It sounds like he's got great speed.

“I’m more of a speed guy myself, so I’m well suited for a speed defensive end as opposed to the 350-pound defensive tackles,” said Patchan, who is recovering from shoulder surgery. “Playing in Tampa, we had a lot of fast guys at Armwood, too. I got to go up against fast guys since I was a freshman in high school too.”


I would absolutely love to see him coming off the end, reeking havoc on the miami QB(s),in September...how fitting would that be?

I think we're seeing, first hand, how important DH was for us last year. If there's no one to command a double team, our DLine is going to have its problems. Hopefully Brown, Davis, and eventually Hunter can get it going before the start of the season. But I am also cautiously optimistic at this point.
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I'm really not sure what article you read....... Meyer stated that he was NOT pleased with the defense but they are improving.

That does not mean the defense is ok!!! Add that to playing an offense that has been tinkered with and is not operating really well........and you get the defense really is not that much better than last year. They did well the last few days, but we also tinkered with the offense the last two days.

To put it simply, the defense needs work!

When you move a first year offensive player to defense....THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN! REMEMBER WHY WE MOVED POUNCEY LAST YEAR! I hope to hear something positive soon, it is only the first week of practice. no nod
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Switch or no switch, Patchan is a special athelete that needs to see the field. It may or may not be an indicator of the other guy's progress. The O-line is just sick mcnasty right now.



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I'm really not sure what article you read....... Meyer stated that he was NOT pleased with the defense but they are improving.

That does not mean the defense is ok!!! Add that to playing an offense that has been tinkered with and is not operating really well........and you get the defense really is not that much better than last year. They did well the last few days, but we also tinkered with the offense the last two days.

To put it simply, the defense needs work!

When you move a first year offensive player to defense....THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN! REMEMBER WHY WE MOVED POUNCEY LAST YEAR! I hope to hear something positive soon, it is only the first week of practice. no nod


Very true. But sometimes those personell moves are a great success. (Pouncey)

While I agree that it doesn't say much about our line, it could also be that the coaches just sensed that MP could be a beast on D, as opposed to sitting on O.
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I'm really not sure what article you read....... Meyer stated that he was NOT pleased with the defense but they are improving.

That does not mean the defense is ok!!! Add that to playing an offense that has been tinkered with and is not operating really well........and you get the defense really is not that much better than last year. They did well the last few days, but we also tinkered with the offense the last two days.

To put it simply, the defense needs work!

When you move a first year offensive player to defense....THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN! REMEMBER WHY WE MOVED POUNCEY LAST YEAR! I hope to hear something positive soon, it is only the first week of practice. no nod


“We’re improving on defense,” Meyer said. “I’m not very pleased, (but) I’m pleased with what the defense has done in the last couple days.”

This is the quote I was referring to. Further, Gatorcountry has an article entitled, "Defensive Efforts Please Meyer." I'm not disagreeing with you though. I'm equally concerned that our defensive line can't dominate against a "baby" no-huddle offense and that Patchan had to cross over to bail them out- neither are good signs. Confused


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I think we're splitting hairs...we've said the same thing two different ways. Wink

The defense has improved some, but is not dominating an offense that has been tinkered with and is not running the way Meyer would like.

I'll take a positve outlook on the Patchan move, i just worry that this is similar to Pouncey moving there. Pouncey did well in the move, but as we all found out...it's a band-aid not a solution. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.

It's still early and Rome was not built in a day or even a week.
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Yeah, Gatorphan...what gives?


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It was known when Patchan signed that he was probably going to play on the defensive side of the ball this year. He's a hell of an athlete, but just too small to play oline this year. Instead of redshirting and wasting his talent, why not throw him on the defensive side to use his skills?


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I'm really not sure what article you read....... Meyer stated that he was NOT pleased with the defense but they are improving.

That does not mean the defense is ok!!! Add that to playing an offense that has been tinkered with and is not operating really well........and you get the defense really is not that much better than last year. They did well the last few days, but we also tinkered with the offense the last two days.

To put it simply, the defense needs work!

When you move a first year offensive player to defense....THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN! REMEMBER WHY WE MOVED POUNCEY LAST YEAR! I hope to hear something positive soon, it is only the first week of practice. no nod


It is not only not a good sign it is a bizarre move. We have an interior OL, Pouncey, who played D-tackle and seemingly credibly. If we are still lacking at D-tackle one might think the OL with actual game experience at D-tackle would be moved back over there. Instead a true frosh is moved?

Now I guess it could be this is all talk and OL are moved over to DL from time to time to toughen them up and give them an aggressive attitude. But if this is a serious move, why we moved an OL back from the important D-tackle slot to play a less important interior OL position and now take a guy from the more important OL position, OT, and move him to D-tackle?
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I think we're splitting hairs...we've said the same thing two different ways. Wink

The defense has improved some, but is not dominating an offense that has been tinkered with and is not running the way Meyer would like.

I'll take a positve outlook on the Patchan move, i just worry that this is similar to Pouncey moving there. Pouncey did well in the move, but as we all found out...it's a band-aid not a solution. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.

It's still early and Rome was not built in a day or even a week.


Indeed. If we can find out the "true" reason for the Patchan switch, it will answer all of the questions. But for now, I'll take the positive outlook as well and assume the coaches just want to get that beast on the field ASAP.
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I'm really not sure what article you read....... Meyer stated that he was NOT pleased with the defense but they are improving.

That does not mean the defense is ok!!! Add that to playing an offense that has been tinkered with and is not operating really well........and you get the defense really is not that much better than last year. They did well the last few days, but we also tinkered with the offense the last two days.

To put it simply, the defense needs work!

When you move a first year offensive player to defense....THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN! REMEMBER WHY WE MOVED POUNCEY LAST YEAR! I hope to hear something positive soon, it is only the first week of practice. no nod


It is not only not a good sign it is a bizarre move. We have an interior OL, Pouncey, who played D-tackle and seemingly credibly. If we are still lacking at D-tackle one might think the OL with actual game experience at D-tackle would be moved back over there. Instead a true frosh is moved?

Now I guess it could be this is all talk and OL are moved over to DL from time to time to toughen them up and give them an aggressive attitude. But if this is a serious move, why we moved an OL back from the important D-tackle slot to play a less important interior OL position and now take a guy from the more important OL position, OT, and move him to D-tackle?


Crap. Another angle to look at it from...and a very valid analysis at that. Ignore my previous post, the sky is falling.
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It is not only not a good sign it is a bizarre move. We have an interior OL, Pouncey, who played D-tackle and seemingly credibly. If we are still lacking at D-tackle one might think the OL with actual game experience at D-tackle would be moved back over there. Instead a true frosh is moved?

Now I guess it could be this is all talk and OL are moved over to DL from time to time to toughen them up and give them an aggressive attitude. But if this is a serious move, why we moved an OL back from the important D-tackle slot to play a less important interior OL position and now take a guy from the more important OL position, OT, and move him to D-tackle?


Get a grip people. He was either going to redshirt or play on the defense this season. As I said in a previous post in this thread, it was known when he signed that he'd most likely play D this season as he added the necessary wait to play on the Oline.


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