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All-American Gator Location: Tallanasty
Registered: August 23, 2008
Posts: 878
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Anyone know where I can find a video of it? My dadtells me about it and I'd like to see it someday. It was a little before my time.
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Head Ball Coach Location: San Diego, CA
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 3468
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I believe the correct terminology is the Florida Flop. I've searched in the past but come up with nothing.
_______________ "Oh, irony! Oh no, we don't get that here. See, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at." |
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Gatorsports Legend  Registered: February 15, 2008
Posts: 19964
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I did a search a year or two ago for it, and found very little...I did find these pictures, which I kept:
  I'll see if I can find anything else. _________________________________  |
All-American Gator Location: Pensacola, FL
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 776
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Here's an article I found with the headline "'Doug Dickey has no class' - Miami coach Curci"
Link Sound familiar? Some things never change! |
All-American Gator Registered: April 10, 2008
Posts: 858
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I doubt if there is any video of that game. No one taped games in those days and it was a night game late in the season by two teams with poor records and no TV. I was there. The sad thing is the failure to mention the fact that Curci was holding the ball and running every play using up clock to end the game so Reaves would not get the ball back. Everyone in the stands knew that, and so did Otis Boggs, UF's play by play announcer, who was broadcasting the game on radio. All the media jumped Dickey - but many of us thought it was a masterful move!
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Heisman Gator Registered: February 26, 2008
Posts: 1551
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I've seen the footage before on broadcast TV. Somebody has it. I'm sure the University has it somewhere.
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All-American Gator Registered: July 27, 2008
Posts: 963
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How do you guys remember this stuff? I was there too. But if you asked me, I would have sworn it was late afternoon. I remember the play. I remember everyone saying wtf, and then in the next 10 seconds we figured it out. But no other details. I run a company so I take a test every now and then to make sure my brain isn't turning to mush. So far so good. But some of you can remember which hash mark each play was run from -- amazing.
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Head Ball Coach Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Registered: February 22, 2008
Posts: 3141
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This actually helped miami more than we would ever know......Without the Flop, they would have never risen to national prominence.....
____________________________________________ "Denial is the opiate of the insecure." "Forgiveness is the essence of Christianity." |
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All-American Gator Registered: July 27, 2008
Posts: 963
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Actually it probably did. The flop did more to generate Miami's hatred of Florida than anything else.
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True Gator Registered: March 30, 2008
Posts: 559
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You, sir, are OLD.  Of course, I am too, and have the same problems. Oh, well, GO GATORS! |
Heisman Gator Location: Gainesville In My Dreams
Registered: February 17, 2008
Posts: 1025
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Couple of points. I also was there. The game was a night game not a day game. It is the same game that the Gators jumped into Flipper's tank at the open end of the Orange Bowl at the end of the game. No Flipper was not in the tank he was only trucked in for Dolphin games.
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Head Ball Coach Location: Scranton, PA
Registered: February 21, 2008
Posts: 2638
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The Alligator really needs to update their website. It looks the same now as it did 37+ years ago!  ___________________________________________________________  |
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All-American Gator Registered: April 10, 2008
Posts: 858
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Well, Gatorhar and Gator1946 and I have something in common; we lived in Miami in the days when everybody hated the Gators. We were sitting on the second deck with a radio (that's why we could hear Otis) and watching the show. We were watching how many cheap shots the Hurricanes took on the Gators, especially Alvarez who was suffering in those days with injuries. The higher the score got, the dirtier the game got; many of the UM faithful had left by the 3rd quarter. The Flop was beautiful! Nobody expected it. Later player interviews indicated that the defensive captains came back to huddle and said, just slow it down so Horibrook (UM quarterback) will score. The flop was the players way of slowing it down. Dickey "gotcha!" on Curci was what Curci was so pised about, but you must remember, Gatorbashing was the way things were done at UM - Fran Curci and George Mira - two of UM's more illustrious qbacks had the biggest mouths..we beatem pretty regularly back then - and they hated us for it!
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True Gator Registered: February 25, 2008
Posts: 515
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I remember listening to the game on the radio. One of the first games I can remember. The announcers could not believe it.
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Heisman Gator Location: At the ball field this time of year...
Registered: February 20, 2008
Posts: 1022
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Thanks to all you "older" Gators for discussing the 'flop' with a little depth. As a young Gator in the 70's, I can't tell you how much hell I caught from the Nole fans about how 'classless' we were to show Miami up like we did, along with the crying about Lane Fenner's 'catch' and other moments that can only be categorized as righteous indignation or penis envy. As for the sterling character of past 'canes like Mira Sr. and Curcci, at least they can find solace in the fact that the same character is in vogue down there today...only a little more to the extreme.
*********************** "...They say the neon lights are bright...on Broadway!" You knew it was in the bag when the band played this tune in the 4th quarter! |
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True Gator Registered: July 25, 2008
Posts: 622
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What, it's not in HD1080?! |
All-American Gator Registered: December 23, 2008
Posts: 858
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Ungrateful Canes. Florida allowed scUM to score a TD and the Canes get upset over being given a free score. **** "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher |
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All-American Gator Registered: December 23, 2008
Posts: 858
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Curci was probably upset because he picked the low score side of an over/under bet. **** "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher |
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Redshirt Gator Registered: January 16, 2009
Posts: 29
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I was there playing (Carlos Alvarez) and you got the point precisely----Miami was way behind and Curci was running the ball so John Reaves would not break the record. From a sportsmanship standpoint, what can be worse than not trying to win the game so that the opposing team does not break a record? Miami did play on the "dark" side that night and there were a couple of major pass interference penalties on their defensive backs against me. The rivalry was intense. Jumping in the Dolphin pool (the Miami Herald or the old Miami News had great pictures of it) was something all the seniors had planned to do if we won the game since it was our last game ever for Florida. That was great fun. A couple of us also tried to climb the flag pole. Yes, it was crazy but so were the times and I do not have time now to go totally into it. It was a night game and there is video footage of the play. And almost 40 years later Miami needs to quit whining about it. |
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Heisman Gator Location: Gainesville In My Dreams
Registered: February 17, 2008
Posts: 1025
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Carlos welcome to the Board. Thanks for all the great great memories of my youth. Please come back and post often. #45 Rules.
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True Gator Location: Oxford, England
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 666
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Gatorsports Legend Registered: February 15, 2008
Posts: 19964
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Wow, if that truly is THE Carlos Alvarez, we are in the presence of Gator Royalty.
Awesome. _________________________________ |
Bull Gator Registered: February 18, 2008
Posts: 8343
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Heisman Gator Location: Southaven, MS
Registered: February 20, 2008
Posts: 1823
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I can't believe I'm star struck over the internet.  Welcome to GSMB Mr. Alvarez. |
Senior Gator Location: The 813
Registered: November 01, 2008
Posts: 326
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Wow, definitely having my "we're not worthy" moment. Welcome Mr. Alvarez!
 _______________________________ "I don't know how to say this, but I am kind of a big deal..." |
True Gator Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 747
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Carlos Alvarez! WOW!!
 As you see from my graduation year, you and John Reaves played a huge role in my Gator football memories. Would love to ask you about some of the games--one I remember from '69 was the Tulane game and a pass you caught that won it for us when it was an almost sureity we were going to lose. Man,Reaves to Alvarez for the touchdown!--good times!! "There's no other name so glorious, all hail, FLORIDA, hail!" |
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Head Ball Coach Location: 32608
Registered: March 05, 2008
Posts: 3392
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Hate to be the doubter among the group, especially given Alvarez's magnificent contributions to Gator Football, but I have to: Is there any way to verify such a claim beyond "I am"?
Signed, William H. Gates, III (edit: I say this not out of disrespect to Mr. Alvarez, but would anyone put it past a Nole to claim such a thing - just for a good laugh and a "You guys wouldn't believe what I posted"-type whorechant post?") |
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Freshman Gator Registered: February 23, 2008
Posts: 247
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I guess it didn't help the Canes more than we will ever know. Speaking of being old in this thread, I was only 2yrs old in 1971. |
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Head Ball Coach Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Registered: February 22, 2008
Posts: 3141
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There was PLENTY of hatred between the programs even before the Flop. The programs have always been at opposite ends of the character scale. And as far as "anything else," the oranges thrown and the late FG by Schnellenberger (sp?) spawned more hate to my memory..... ____________________________________________ "Denial is the opiate of the insecure." "Forgiveness is the essence of Christianity." |
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Redshirt Gator Registered: January 16, 2009
Posts: 29
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Many thanks for the compliments and it was an honor to have played for the Gators and to enjoy these moments with the great Gator fans. It is me, the former Cuban part of the Reaves to Alvarez combination. I live in Tallahassee and I have thoroughly enjoyed our current winning streak against the Noles. I have not posted in these forums but I do read them from time to time. I just thought all of you would enjoy a first hand account although a couple of the posts already had it going in the right direction. In regards to the post about the Tulane game, I did catch the two point conversion to win the game but it was Tommy Durrance who scored the touchdown. And it was the great passing of John Reaves and some clutch receptions by Andy Chaney that put us in the position to win that game. One more thought that I have is that Percy Harvin is the best non-quarterback offensive player in Florida history. I have seen them all since the late 1960's and outside of Wes Chandler, no one has come close to the different talents and mental toughness that Percy brought to every game. I always felt I was watching a Michael Jordan once-in-a-lifetime athlete on Florida Field. Be well and Go Gators!!! |
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Head Ball Coach Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Registered: February 22, 2008
Posts: 3141
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Mr Alvarez, whether that's really you or not, you were truly an amazing player and remain one of my all time Gator heroes! I'll never forget listening to the Gator Radio network and hanging on every play....
Your first ever catch, the 70 yard TD pass from Reaves... 3rd and 10, from the 20, in the opener against a highly ranked Houston squad....a game we won 59-30 (?? I think??) and the moment that the Reaves to Alvarez combo was introduces to the Gator Nation! A moment in time that still thrills me to this day. Welcome to our sometimes senseless ramblings and I hope you continue to contribute.... ____________________________________________ "Denial is the opiate of the insecure." "Forgiveness is the essence of Christianity." |
True Gator Location: Deep in enemy territory
Registered: February 21, 2008
Posts: 565
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This could be the zenith of this forum!
  Don't look back, something might be gaining on you! Satchel Page |
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True Gator Registered: February 17, 2008
Posts: 604
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I agree. Carlos, I think it was Harvin Clark that ran a punt back for a td late in that game. I remember some talk at the time that the Canes did not make much of an effort to stop him. Was there any talk on the field about that? Vol nation, once again declaring victory after defeat. |
Heisman Gator Location: Weeki Wachee
Registered: February 20, 2008
Posts: 1659
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I moved to Gainesville in 1972, when I was 10 years old, so I misses your Gator career, but I remember people still talking about you. You have to like what Urban Meyer has done to bring back all of the Gator football alumni and the new traditions he has created. Just one question: Do you think Randy Shannon would believe that a "Florida Flop" would help his team more than we can know compared to a late game field goal? Just curious.  |
Senior Gator Registered: July 01, 2008
Posts: 257
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You and me both! I have goosebumps. Thanks so much for sharing your story. Wow. I have a thousand things to say but I will just say thanks for being a Great Gator!  |
Freshman Gator Location: Anderson Hall
Registered: October 01, 2008
Posts: 219
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Contrary to the caption for that picture John Clifford was actually the only Gator not to flop on the play. He was my HS football coach and told the absolute best stories about Gator football, hil-ar-ious, the Flop was easily one of the best.
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Gatorsports Legend Location: Causing chaos
Registered: February 16, 2008
Posts: 9563
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 ____________________________________________________________________________ The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules! Kickoff |
Freshman Gator Registered: February 21, 2008
Posts: 177
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I can remember listening to Otis Boggs call the Reaves to Alvarez plays. I remember listening to the game in the orange bowl and Otis' call of the flop and of the swim in Flippers' pool. I was a freshman in 1975 and the Reaves to Alvarez lore remained throughout my time in G'ville and has endured all these years...great memories, thank you! Welcome Carlos!
I too have read the GSMB posts for years and have only recently started to post my own thoughts. I was from Sarasota, so Willie Jackson attending Florida was big for us (for those who do not know, he was one of the first African Americans to play for UF). Carlos, any Willie stories? |
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True Gator Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 747
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 EVERYONE on the GSMB needs to know that THE Carlos Alvarez has shared his personal memories on Gator football history in this thread!!  "There's no other name so glorious, all hail, FLORIDA, hail!" |
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Head Ball Coach Location: San Diego, CA
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 3468
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Whether this is CA or not, I completely agree. And that's saying something after having gone to school with Emmitt. _______________ "Oh, irony! Oh no, we don't get that here. See, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at." |
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Head Ball Coach Location: 32608
Registered: March 05, 2008
Posts: 3392
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True Gator Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 747
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"There's no other name so glorious, all hail, FLORIDA, hail!" |
Freshman Gator Registered: December 02, 2008
Posts: 216
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This is officially, the best thread
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All-American Gator Registered: December 23, 2008
Posts: 858
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Great to hear from a Gator great and and first hand what actually happened. It seems things never change as far as the Canes and how the behave. Thanks!! **** "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher |
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All-American Gator Registered: December 23, 2008
Posts: 858
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If you are really William H. Gates, III, how do you have time to post here, when you have a multi billion dollar foundation to run, and need to get onto Steve Ballmer to get Microsoft to fix the Vista operating system? **** "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher |
Senior Gator Registered: February 18, 2008
Posts: 387
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Million questions for probably the BEST WR in gator history. Can anyone save John Reaves from himself or did you keep up with him? What was it like to transition from Graves to Dickey when sentiment said hire Ellenson? What was it really like in Yon Hall back then with all the changes? How is the knee. Wasnt Doug Dickey a really nice fella? COULD you please write a book about your times there. Oh yes, thank you for an amazing time in gator football and WHY did JohnR throw ALL those INTs against Aub.? THat could have been our FIRST sec title and the SUPER sophs could have done it (along with that great veteran O-line). I was 14 that year and remember it well. What a season. I was gator when gator wasn't cool |
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Head Ball Coach Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Registered: February 22, 2008
Posts: 3141
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Nine, count 'en NINE> Still an SEC record. I listened to that game while working and I thought I had died and gone to hell. It was a miserable day for the Gator....but a great memory..... That kind of memory is what makes the recent success by UF all the more rewarding.... ____________________________________________ "Denial is the opiate of the insecure." "Forgiveness is the essence of Christianity." |
Heisman Gator Location: SW Colorado
Registered: February 19, 2008
Posts: 2028
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Thanks for the great memories Carlos and dropping a post or two here. I've been fortunate enough to meet you in person some years ago thanks to Alan Poe. Couldn't agree more about Percy. What if Wes Chandler had played in a similar type of offense?
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True Gator Registered: January 18, 2009
Posts: 633
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That play turned Curci into a self-possessed mad man. Years later when he was a TV commentator his enmity for Florida was legendary. Does anyone remember when he was the coach of THE great Kentucky team(Yes, there was one) and he motivated KENTUCKY with the flop. There was talk before the game of Kentucky running it up and flopping against Florida. However, a bad Florida team played tough and they lost 14-7. That was the Kentucky team with Dickey at QB(went on to play TE for the Raiders) and they also had a great defensive end. Can't recall his name.
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Heisman Gator Location: Gainesville In My Dreams
Registered: February 17, 2008
Posts: 1025
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Carlos, just picked up my Sports Illustrated National Championship edition last night and there is a great picture of you from the 1969 Miami game on page 72.
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