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Traveling Gator Head Ball Coach |
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Unreal. just what we need, more government agenscies and government employees. ![]() |
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Heisman Gator |
That's pretty staggering on the face of it.
Also plays into the narrative I've been pushing for the past 24 months:
--------------------------------------------------- “A tenacious hold on trivial fact is the secret of my genius” - Agathon the Seer |
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Head Ball Coach |
While there is potentially a lot of merit in the premise that increasing social complexity can lead to dimishing returns - I don't know if that means it WILL lead to dimishing returns. At times it may actually lead to increasing returns. For all the demonization of the global economy - arguably a form of social complexity - it has actually decreased the rate of dire poverty, mainly due to the advancement of China and India. While I am sure you can find countless example of govt expenditures with little benefit - the internet was actually something that originated out of the dept of defense. As to this assertion:
I think the verdict is still out to assume that such invesments will not have positive payouts.
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True Gator |
More from Tainter:
"When some new input to an economic system is brought on line, whether a technical innovation or an energy subsidy, it will often have the potential at least temporarily to raise marginal productivity" (p. 124). Productivity, which many of the programs listed above are designed to increase, is Tainter's own answer. And part of what health care reform has always been about. |
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Heisman Gator |
Seriously? That is a productivity improvement. Creating a whole intergovernmental task force to figure out that the dumping of nuclear waste and drilling for Uranium on Indian lands is actually BAD for the Indians who still live there?? I have to admit, that each bullet needs a whole lot more explanation behind each one, but on face value, much of this list looks like a HUGE waste of money. |
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Traveling Gator Head Ball Coach |
Each agency being created probably has at least three other agencies tasked with very similiar roles trying to accomplish the same thing.
The redundancy in our government, from local on up, is a big part of the problem and they just keep creating more agencies that do not communicate and do not share resources. ![]() |
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Head Ball Coach |
And still some of our more ardent liberal board members agree with this crap. Absolute dung I tell myself and the people will really see through this stuff. It is not happening. I gues that old adge about selling yourself for a crust today instead of fighting for the whole loaf.
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Heisman Gator |
Of course. And as long the increases in productivity are greater than the increases in the cost of complexity - in this case in the form of more bureaucracy - then the system can go on. But the cost of complexity increases as the system is asked to solve more and greater problems. Eventually, according to the theory diminishing returns will ensue. --------------------------------------------------- “A tenacious hold on trivial fact is the secret of my genius” - Agathon the Seer |
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True Gator |
Simple is good.
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Head Ball Coach |
Complexity is not defacto a negative. A purely farm based economy is simple - but I would think we are all better off with the economic system of specialized labor vs what a farm economy.
I am sure there is a lot of nuance in the author's theories, which I don't have time to research at the moment, but it does strike me as it can be construed to be good pin up material for those who dislike government. As to the medical system - what we have is by no means simple - try filing a claim yourself. A pure single payer system would probably be simpler than what we have. Our efforts to try something in the middle is what is leading to complexity - we don't like the inequities that a free market health care system brings about - we don't like government health care, mainly because we don't like government and we don't like paying the government, so we are constructing arguably the worst of both worlds.
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True Gator |
Pt. 3
" they did it only when their backs were to the wall." |
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Heisman Gator |
No one is saying complexity is by definition negative. Only that, at some point, increased investment in complexity can eventually result in at first declining, then negative increases in marginal utility. At that point, investing in more complex solutions, which require more and more resources, can cause the system to collapse. Whether we are at that point remains to be seen. My sense is we're probably not smart enough to know that anyway. Also, as the author has said, unforeseen technological breakthroughs can increase productivity and "reset" the system. My guess is AI is going to be the wild card here. If that's the case, I imagine at some point our machines will be so much smarter than we are that not only will we not understand the answers we task them with providing, we won't understand the questions, either. At that point, we'll have a choice: I'm guessing we'll cede responsibility to our AI overlords and descend happily into the matrix. --------------------------------------------------- “A tenacious hold on trivial fact is the secret of my genius” - Agathon the Seer |
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