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Head Ball Coach |
That some in hear still get excited about PARTISAN politics, and are gleeful when 2 governorships (not their own states) switch parties. I mean really, what difference does this make on a national scale.
It seems some are more interested in the political footballing than the actual policy or outcomes. How anybody could get excited about Republicans is beyond me. If you are conservative, seems at best you are indifferent. Mostly likely the R's pick up about 10-20 seats in the House, and maybe a few Senate seats in 2010. OK. So what? The elation by a few on here is puzzling.
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Heisman Gator |
My dog finds his toy with the squeaker fascinating. Have you not read any of the articles which uses terms like 'dems in trouble', 'it's the economy stupid', '2010 problematic', etc. here's another. Read slowly:
(how about the thinking the blue dogs are doing, right now)  |
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Head Ball Coach |
I generally avoid your posts, I find them unenlightening and discussion with you monotonous.
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Heisman Gator |
I know it's been a bad night for you L-Boy. You're all alone here to defend the novice and his attempts to convince voters in NJ and VA. For someone who avoids my posts, you sure don't have a problem putting in you 2 cents. I did notice you once again made this personal vs. any signifcant discussion of fact to the four or five links I provided from the MSM reflecting this as a PBHO referendum. I wouldn't be happy if I were you either. The novice is struggling, although he's not watching the returns.  |
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Heisman Gator |
He hasn't had anything that wasn't insulting to say about Obama since last year when it was apparent he would beat out Hillary for the nomination. When even Neil and some of the other right wingers congratulated Obama a year ago for beating McCain he did no such thing.He just warned us of all the partisan b.s. he would be posting here. But if Hillary had won we would be listening to the same kind of stuff about her.And he has the nerve to occasionally portray himself as a moderate.Yeah if Limbaugh is a moderate then so is Rob.Or maybe he is a moderate but also an insulting hack who would never admit any position he ever took was wrong which makes him more of an egomaniac. I don't think that governors get to vote in congress and they are saying that the NY 23rd congressional district race was won by a Dem after the pub had stepped down, so who was this race a referendum on? The pubs may very well pick up seats next year but it will have nothing to do with whether or not Obama is a novice or not.And if the economy and unemployment figures improve it won't happen at all. The pubs took control in 94 and Clinton wasn't a political novice but recognized the problems with the economy and came together with the pubs.I'm guessing the pubs today will make no effort to come together on any legislation that they haven't created.I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. |
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Redshirt Gator |
+1 It seems there is no more compromising in Washington anymore. |
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Head Ball Coach |
I hate to say it but he is actually worse than Scooby. At least Scooby sometimes posts topics of interest, and worthy of discussion even if it is copied straight off of some other site. What some don't get is I honest to God don't care. In fact, for the sake of fiscal balance, some additional degree of gridlock would be helpful by 2010. The downside is that there are some initiatives that only the Democrats seem willing to tackle, whether you like their remedy or not. The problem is the Democrats have not demonstrated any willingness to institute fiscal control. The Republicans haven't either, but at least when they split the government, their number one priority is to obstruct each other so both spending increases and tax cuts tend to get stomped out by the other respective side.
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Head Ball Coach |
I think you Dems think to little of my conservative views. While one may have personal views one must also have the understanding of the larger picture of things. My little slice of the world will never fly. However at the same time I do not exspect my views to be incorporated into policy and if so it would be purely by chance.
What else was President Obama supposed to do with the The NJ and VA races. He showed twice in VA and four times in NJ. He did his best and that is all you can ask for. |
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Senior Gator |
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Clearly this board has a couple partisans on both sides. I couldn't disagree more with the fact that " only democrats seem willing to tackle certain issues". Obviously there is great tension between moderate dems and liberals in the house and senate with regards to healthcare. Even Evan Bayh who endorsed the president doesn't seem to be on the same page with those in support of universal healthcare. If all of them were willing to tackle this issue it would pass easily,
And the gators....take their place in history |
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Freshman Gator |
What difference does it make on a national scale? Well considering that the two states that turned carried Obama not more than 12 months ago by 7 and 15 pts respectively just kicked the dem. out of the capital building and put in not just R but conservatives is telling. Now whether you are willing to concede that point or not is entirely dependent on your own politcal vanity. People voted for what was sold as a moderate dem. and he has so far turned out to be anything but.
"No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. (he points to the sword he just completed) But this... this you can trust." Father of Conan the Barbarian |
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Head Ball Coach |
As to willingness to tackle issues, such as Health care, Global warming, financial system reforms,etc. Only the Democrats seem willing to debate it and come up with policy. They may not internally agree on policy, and their end solution may or may not make things better, but at least they are willing to address it. The Republicans basically deny there is a health care problem and have really offered no material solutions. They deny global warming is an issue, they effectively deny energy independence is an issue when they throw out a platform of drill baby drill. As to financial reforms, nothing will probably get done here either, the Democrats are putting together a mostly toothless financial reform package, and the Republicans are opposing that. I am not saying the D's always have great solutions nor am I saying they are particularly effective at governance, I am just saying they try, fecklessly as it may be. The republicans stand for absolutely nothing, apart from maybe more tax cuts (which we need like a hole in the head), except opposing the democrats.
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Heisman Gator |
I do find it funny that I post articles from Yahoo and AP and receive critisism for their content. The tone of each is clear, including this one today:
A few weeks back I was asked where I thought PBHO was born. Now I have a question for those on the left; Did PBHO watch the returns come in last night for the VA and NJ races? |
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Freshman Gator |
Repub. dont deny that there is a need for healthcare reform but a 1950 page takeover of the healthcare system? Thats ridiculous and no one trust that it is a good reform bill. GW is still not as cut and dry as the left would like everone to think and there are scientist that dispute whether it even exists or whether it is man made but dont get much attention. I tend to be more relaxed when congress isnt trying to tackle a ton of issues.
"No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. (he points to the sword he just completed) But this... this you can trust." Father of Conan the Barbarian |
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All-American Gator |
Gist of the above post. Country is looking for a real change. They want health care reform. Super Majority want a public option. Majority want a Single Payer system. The so called conservatives on this board are either: 1. Paid sheep of the Elite. 2. Super Rich Elite. 3. Too stupid to know that they are being played by the Elite. Candidate Obama promised real change and he morphed himself into a Bush (President Obama). The folks on the left know they that they have been taken for a ride. They did not show up in the elections. If we do not see Candidate Obama back soon, Dems will lose control of the House and lose quite a bit in the Senate. |
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Heisman Gator |
Scooby: The intellectual standard bearer for the risible right. --------------------------------------------------- “A tenacious hold on trivial fact is the secret of my genius” - Agathon the Seer |
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Head Ball Coach |
Yeah, maybe, but down economic cycles with high unemployment, people generally vote against the party in power, whether it is the fault of the party in power or not. Especially during midterms. So all of this extrapolation of what it means at a higher level is mostly hooey. To your point, Obama could have come in with a far more left leaning Agenda, and it probably would not have hurt him, because the R's are going to oppose whatever he does. Even marginal reform is going to be labeled socialism. The problem is that if you want to legislation enacted, you have to get moderate democrats on board, many of who are in swing states, with independents. I think in general independents tend to avoid the political process and more apt to fall for partisan propoganda, and the R's have been good at muddying the water with "government takeover health care", "death panels", etc.
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Senior Gator |
There are numerous republican amendments in regards to healthcare reform. Please show us a poll where independents favor a public option. Also I'd like to see a democrat propose a solution to energy independence because I sure as hell haven't seen one. Some including myself would argue Obama has leaned to the left since becoming elected. Cap and trade is a fine example of that. I'm not super rich, nor am I paid by the super rich. I also have a BA from UF. If you want to consider me stupid then so be it.
And the gators....take their place in history |
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All-American Gator |
I miss Gator Jersey's posts here. Wish he would come back and post his thoughts on the NJ debacle. I do not think he would have been a fan of GS alum Corzine. |
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Heisman Gator |
Anyone who thinks there's a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats needs therapy. The only difference is which special interests get oiled. Its all a bunch of nonsense.
Obama reminds me of Michael Douglas in the movie, The American President. As for health care, Canadians seem pretty healthy to me. Single payer would be the best option for holding down costs. It may not please a lot of people who are making money off the current system so it doesnt gain traction. So, in the end, no difference between Dems (who support single payer but dont fight for it) and Repubs who dont support anything. |
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All-American Gator |
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Freshman Gator |
Yeah, single payer would be great if you wanted people to flee the profession and if you want to step into a public clinic for the flu and get treated 8 hours later. Hold down costs? You mean the way medicard holds down costs? By telling a provider that they have to treat a patient and this is all they are going to get for it? The next thing the govt would have to do is draft people into the medical profession and make them treat patients because the shortage of nurses and Dr.s would be astronomical. Rick, what works in Canada wont work in the U.S. The shear population disparity alone would be a deal breaker. Once all the banks, investors and other profitable entities have been destroyes with all this reform, where do you guys suggest we invest? Oh..thats right..green energy.
"No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. (he points to the sword he just completed) But this... this you can trust." Father of Conan the Barbarian |
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Senior Gator |
Good work Motown. Up until this point I've yet to see any of these polls.
And the gators....take their place in history |
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All-American Gator |
Thanks and I cheated. I Googled and took out any links that had any Greek-American sites. Cats suffers from acute Arianna/Moulitsas Phobia. We have a very very expensive health care system that cannot work with the size/age/health of our population. As Rick mentioned above, we have to make something cheap for the masses. Have a two tiered system. Rich can eat cake while the rest can eat bread. X-Rays for us, MRI for rich... |
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Heisman Gator |
What are you talking about?? Shortage of nurses and physicians? We already have that here. Do you think that has something to do with insurance? Would you favor opening up immigration to allow more foreign doctors/nurses the ability to work here? As for the other stuff in your post...you can always buy private insurance in canada if you dont like the system or think you are too good to wait for an elective surgery. And stop with the straw man that we are "too big" of a country for it to work here. If that's the case lets just stop with this social experiment called the United States. |
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Freshman Gator |
I work in healtcare and I KNOW that the shortage has a great deal to do with Medicare and medicaid...not necessarily insurance. In rural areas they is a huge shortage of PcP's. They dont want to see the shear number of medicare pts. they would have to see because the reimbursement is so bad and the paper work is attrocious. Too good to wait for elective surgery? Like kidney transplants and total knee replacements?
"No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. (he points to the sword he just completed) But this... this you can trust." Father of Conan the Barbarian |
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All-American Gator |
Spur, Could it be that many doctors do not want to work in small towns? Schools are bad for their kids? Maybe, rural America is not that great to raise a family? I know they have Green Cards for foreign Docs who finish medical school and work in small towns. These Doctors do their time in rural America (couple of years), get their green cards, and move to cities. Reminds me of the movie that made close to Gainesville (when I was in school). It was called Doc Hollywood or something like that. |
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Heisman Gator |
Starring Michael J. Fox. --------------------------------------------------- “A tenacious hold on trivial fact is the secret of my genius” - Agathon the Seer |
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All-American Gator |
Yes, that is the one. Him and Woody Harrelson showed up one evening at Purple Porpoise. Woody Harrelson was mobbed by all the girls that were there. |
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Heisman Gator |
I work in healthcare too. The shortage has almost NOTHING to do with medicare/medicaid. You dont think there's lots of paperwork associated with private insurance? Its because of this private insurance industry that we have tons of coding problems so that docs can get fully reimbursed. The shortage stems from the cost/benefit of being a doctor- not with "paperwork." Medical malpractice and the amount of debt from medical school has the most to do with turning people away from the profession to begin with. |
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