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Head Ball Coach |
President B. Hussien Obama says not to jump to conclusions. Nobody, I mean nobody should want something like this to happen ever... However.
Jump to conclusions about what?: A US Muslim military man who opposed/had stated that he had problems w/ the wars in Iraq and Afganistan goes on a shooting rampage at a US military base? That the man has had some weird stuff posted on the internet on how he felt about it. That he was currently trying to get out of the military? Maybe its because we're not to jump to conclusions because he was "muslim"? And Hussien Obama has tried to make such long strides to bridge the divide? Lets not jump to conclusions like maybe someone did when a White man arrested a black man suspected in a robbery right??? Where all the facts in then? This is playing out to be something big Im afraid and Hussien Obama doesnt want any more problems, of course he could be looking out for his own... Lets call this exactly what it is: An Act of Terrorism!
Flame away... _____________________________ A.S.A.P As Southern As Possible |
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Heisman Gator |
You know something, you are absolutely correct! Barack quickly judged the white cop arresting the black cop admittedly without knowing the facts about the case and called it a teachable moment.
But doesn't want us to not jump to conclusions regarding this case? He's a hypocrite. At least he gave a nice "shout out'! |
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Heisman Gator |
Were the Virginia Tech killings an Act of Terrorism or only if the lunatic involved is a muslim? I have a feeling some people would be complaining about Obama even if he said nothing at all. Didn't he admit he erred in his original statement about the black professor/white officer incident? |
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Heisman Gator |
VT was mass murder by a crazy guy, not terrorism. Ft Hood should be tried as treason and an act of terror or war by a Muslim who is an American citizen serving in the Armed Forces of the United States (thus the treason part and it was obviously witnessed by at least two people which is usually the hard part for treason). I will not classify this guy as "crazy." I will classify him as someone adhering to Islam to the letter. Both are cowards and chose the weakest targets they could find. I didn't comment on this post earlier because I think the Obama part of it went off the deep end. I really would like to see charges brought for treason in this case, not murder. I will be satisfied if they say, "We'd love to go for treason, but the threshold is really really tough so we'll have to settle for 13 counts of 1st degree murder." |
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Freshman Gator |
Was Tim McVeigh a terrorist? If the answer is yes I dont know how with what we already know about this guy, he can be judged any differently than McVeigh. The problem is in order to call this what it was, an act of terror, the govt must acknowledge that his religion played a role and they cant bring themselves to do that. Head in sand syndrome. Allah Ackbar...isnt that what was heard on the flight recorders during the last seconds of the 9/11 attacks? "No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. (he points to the sword he just completed) But this... this you can trust." Father of Conan the Barbarian |
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Heisman Gator |
It was indeed seemingly treasonous behavior. But I think his motivation had to count for something.As L-Boy posted in the other thread his car had been vandalized and he was harassed after 9/11 because of his muslim religion. He may have just gotten tired of all the b.s. like any number of mass murderers do and went off the deep end.He didn't appear to be unbalanced like the Va. Tech guy and I doubt that they will find anyone else involved. Assuming the guy lives it will be interesting to hear his motives if he gives any. |
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Heisman Gator |
Wait... are you saying that he's "less of a bad guy" because he grew up being harassed??? |
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Heisman Gator |
I think he's a mass murderer.Do you think he's the same as the guys who perpetrated 9/11?They hated Americans the way all terrorists do. If this guy hated America why did he choose a career in our military.I don't think he had this planned his whole life. Maybe facts will come out to prove me wrong but right now I don't see him as a terrorist.Just a guy who got tired of being persecuted and went much to far.I'll leave it to the courts and God to determine how bad he was. |
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Heisman Gator |
Yes, I do, but worse, he is an American citizen serving in the Armed Forces of the United States. I don't think for a minute that he is some whiney a$$ed guy getting even with bullies. I do think that he was trying to strike in the same way that those did on 9/11. His last words don't appear to be, "You bastards teased me and keyed my car" unless I'm missing something in translation. It is highly likely that he'll have left behind something written or typed in the same way that McVeigh did on his sister's computer in case he didn't live (and as a Jihadi, it would be customary for him to leave behind goodbye's to family and friends too, we'll see if those turn up, maybe). I really doubt there will be much whining in his writings about being picked on or his car keyed... that would appear WEAK. It will be primarily, if not all, about his relgion and how our policy was wrong and how he is Muslim first, American second... no wait, he's not even American according to himself... on his mosque registration, he put that he is Palestinian. I know his parents were Jordanian, not sure if they were Palestinian-Jordanian or not (after all, more of Jordan was Palestine than Israel is). This is about his f'd up religion, not about ignorant bullies. If it was about bullies, why didn't he shoot the guy who keyed his car? He knew who it was. No, he went to slaughter infidels and he did a damn fine job for Mohammed and Allah (PBUH). |
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Head Ball Coach |
Maj Hasan's actions were both Murder in the First Degree and Treason. The man needs to die of his wounds. If he is brought to trail he will be a hero in real life to all Muslims everywhere. I am sure there was jubilation in Muslim countries around the world along the USA. I bet Dearborn, MI has some big parties this weekend.
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Heisman Gator |
Maybe the difference between murders is opportunity? The 9/11 guys planned and saw the opportunity to do something horrific. I think terrorism is applied to any religion, race, and culture... in other words, you don't have to be a killing middle eastern muslim to be a terrorist. I think the DC sniper is a terrorist. Wasn't this guy a psychologist on the base??? |
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Heisman Gator |
Actually, I have mixed feelings about him living or dying in the hospital... if he dies, he's a martyr. He's a hero either way. What I'm worried about in terms of him living is getting GREAT lawyers to defend him for free so we can hear a big fat sob story instead of, "I did it for Islam." If he has a single testicle, he'll stick with religion no matter what, but I'm not counting on it... I'm going with the "heavy metal music defense" whereby we try to say that listening to Ozzie of Judas Priest for 8 hours drives us to kill crap. As for Dearborn, again, mixed feelings. I went to HS in Dearborn and you need to remember that the majority of "Arabs" in Dearborn were displaced CHRISTIANS from Lebanaon, Iraq, Iran and the like, NOT Muslims. That said, there are plenty of Muslims there too and yes, I'm sure there is celebrating. |
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Heisman Gator |
Was the guy chanting religious stuff when he was doing it? Usually a terrorist muslim would chant a prayer before the killing to make sure he's right with god. |
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Heisman Gator |
Are you middle eastern? |
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Heisman Gator |
So are you saying he had probably been planning this for a long time?Was all the psychiatric work he had done helping soldiers a ruse? I think his islamic roots definitely had something to do with it but not like Bin Laden who had been planning 9/11 for years.He got a bad job evalution and that could have started a downward spiral in his own psyche.That combined with the other harassment caused some kind of overload. I'm just going by the facts as they have been reported up to now.If it comes out that he was part of a terrorist cell or had been planning this for years then I will obviously be wrong. But right now I'm like Obama and would prefer to wait for all the facts to come out. |
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Head Ball Coach |
You are correct on both points Detroit. People forget that there are such a thing as Christian Arabs and Persians. There are very few of both groups left in the mid-east as both the Muslim arab/persians and the Israelis displace them as much as possible.
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Heisman Gator |
According to eyewitnesses, yes, he was "Allahu Akbar"ring away. Not, "You teasing bastards that keyed my car" away. |
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Heisman Gator |
No, but I grew up in Detroit and Dearborn which at that time had the largest "Middle Eastern" populations in the world outside of the Middle East. On top of that, I've spent the last bunch of years working in the Middle East. I'm VERY aware and SENSITIVE to their people, histories, cultures and religions... doesn't mean I like or agree with them very much.... they don't like or agree with us very much and won't, ever, regardless of who the President is. |
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Heisman Gator |
oh ok.. then the guy is just as bad as the 9/11 people. The only difference is that he didn't have the opportunity to do something bigger. THE GUY made it about religion, no one else. I don't think the guy is as messed up mentally as claimed and killed on impulse because he had the sense to proclaim his faith. |
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Heisman Gator |
Ah.. ok, that's cool. |
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Heisman Gator |
It's after sundown on friday which in my religion means it's Gameday.Hope I see you and your son tomorrow Detroit.Go Gators.
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Heisman Gator |
You will OP... I've got your number and you've got mine... we'll text you when we get over to Gate 8... I'm guessing we'll get there between 4-4:30 (at the gate I mean). Take care! |
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Heisman Gator |
The thing to remember is that those who would use violence come from all the many nationalities of this earth. What one does is not an indictment of any one, but of the one who uses violence!
That being said, he did clean out his apartment. This would seem to indicate forethought. Just a view from one mile up! |
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Head Ball Coach |
The scoundrel gave up all rights to any attemps of people outside of radical Muslims groups thinking he is a decent person when he squeezed the first round off. Hasan is a much a rabid dog as he is anything else. He can holler Allah Akabar all he wants to but that does nevr ever make his actions acceptable. Bottom line is he is a coward like so many others of his so called faith.
I have no trouble with Muslims who combat out troops at all. They I have respect for. All other muslims who kill innocents (children, women and unarmed men) whether directly or indirectly (IED's & Car bombs etc) are cowards and deserve nothing less then total extermination. |
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Traveling Gator Head Ball Coach  |
CNN reported that the manager of his apt. complex said he never had visitors, until the night before the rampage, when a dark skinned, bushy eyebrowed man visited for fie minutes and left. His neighbor let the major use his computer multiple times even though he had a computer himself. FBI took neighbors computer.
My money says he didn't do this independent of outside influence.   |
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