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I Love the Spirit of Tim Tebow but somehow I wish that great characters like Tim would not advertise personal beliefs in a sports forum. For one thing, Christianity takes a minority stake in the world population and, really, what will it all mean anyway when life-forms are discovered on Mars?

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What a lot of people are forgetting in this discussion is that student athletes are people, individuals with different interests and beliefs. As long as they abide by the rules of the sport they are competing in then their religion and personal beliefs are beyond the purview of officials and fans. It would be just as inappropriate to ask an athlete to have a tattoo removed, as it would be to change what's written in Tebow's eye black.

The public backlash on the criticism of Tebow's high religious profile has a lot to do with the legal assault on religion and government. While some people may see the finer points of separating government and religion, forcing a college athlete not to show any indication of their faith and belief is clearly going too far.

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Originally posted by ccsdk:
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I Love the Spirit of Tim Tebow but somehow I wish that great characters like Tim would not advertise personal beliefs in a sports forum. For one thing, Christianity takes a minority stake in the world population and, really, what will it all mean anyway when life-forms are discovered on Mars?

You just advertised a personal belief in a sports forum.

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Originally posted by MarylandGator:

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Originally posted by ccsdk:
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I Love the Spirit of Tim Tebow but somehow I wish that great characters like Tim would not advertise personal beliefs in a sports forum. For one thing, Christianity takes a minority stake in the world population and, really, what will it all mean anyway when life-forms are discovered on Mars?

You just advertised a personal belief in a sports forum.

Lets prop this boulder on the hill and see if it crushes anyone on the way down.

We have had two QBs at UF in my lifetime that were very spiritual and professed their christianity and we have 3 NC trophies to show for it and numerous SEC titles. There was a teenager gang raped in Ca. for 2 hours and you can bet that had one of those witnesses had the convictions of Tim Tebow it would have been much different. If the young man that stabbed the player at Uconn. had the same convictions as Tim that kid would be alive today. Please find something worthy of concern....this isnt it!

it is tim's right as an american to display his belief. You are not forced to look up the verse if you have no interest. For those interested it is very refreshing to find a person with strong personal beliefs that is secure enough to show them. Tim is a good person.

Mods, can we move this to the "Things Your Mother Told you not to Discuss in Polite Company" forum?

I am Agnostic so I don't share Tim's belief system but I think Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion are two things that should never be tampered with. I admire Tim's character, demeanor and work ethic regardless of who he prays to and not solely because I am a Gator fan.

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We have had two QBs at UF in my lifetime that were very spiritual and professed their christianity and we have 3 NC trophies to show for it and numerous SEC titles. There was a teenager gang raped in Ca. for 2 hours and you can bet that had one of those witnesses had the convictions of Tim Tebow it would have been much different. If the young man that stabbed the player at Uconn. had the same convictions as Tim that kid would be alive today. Please find something worthy of concern....this isnt it!

And God spoke directly to Charles Manson

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Originally posted by spurdog:
We have had two QBs at UF in my lifetime that were very spiritual and professed their christianity and we have 3 NC trophies to show for it and numerous SEC titles. There was a teenager gang raped in Ca. for 2 hours and you can bet that had one of those witnesses had the convictions of Tim Tebow it would have been much different. If the young man that stabbed the player at Uconn. had the same convictions as Tim that kid would be alive today. Please find something worthy of concern....this isnt it!

I really hate that I am agreeing with Spurdog far too often since his reappearance here.

Well this is the nitty gritty of our world today and has been since the creation of man. Those that believe and those that don't believe, and the beliefs and freedoms on which this country was founded. As was already stated, it is tim's right to express his belief in whatever arena he is put in his life in this country. As far as passing judgement on whether he is right or wrong most that criticize have never read the Bible and have no idea on what grounds his actions are taken. An insight is in the New Testament, the book of James, Chapter 4. For those of you who disagree you can read it, but you may not totally understand it unless you understand Tim's personal faith, it's depth and the relationship he has with His Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But then again you may actually see where he is coming from. I challenge you to dig deeper and actually find fault. C.S. Lewis tried and the rest is history. God Bless.

I am not a religious person, but when I hear Tim Tebow's professions of his faith, I never infer that he is saying that God or Jesus helped him win the game. These are the utterances of a HUMBLE young man who credits the Big Guy for blessing him with his talents. His "ministry" reflects his commitment of gratitude to his Savior. One recalls Carl Yastremski's expression of gratitude to God for having given him the tools to be a champion. We all are familiar with the phrase "God given talent." And to this reader, if our age lacks anything it is humility. It is beyond comprehension that there are American citizens out there who want to suppress a young man's expression of his First Amendment rights to speak freely and to practice his religion.

Well, Tim did say he was praying before the winning field goal against Arkansas and that's the only time I think you might, and I mean might, criticize his beliefs. And that's only because he has made his faith so public and thus needs to be a bit more careful about how he discusses it. Yet one must remember his age as well and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Basically I agree with the freedom of speech argument. I have no problem with players making their beliefs public. But I think that also applies to the columnist who questioned Tebow's father's statements regarding his mission in the Philippines.

Tim Tebow has the absolute right to remain silent or speak his mind concerning his beliefs. We on the other hand have the right to listen, not believe or simply cut it off so it does not offend us.

Interestingly, neither author actually provided reasons why it is actually wrong to allow religion to be a part of our society. They simply assumed that such an idea is inately wrong. In so doing, the authors are by their own arguments pushing their own "moral agenda". Well guess what, I don't agree with that agenda! So whose agenda wins? Their article is begging the question and not really dealing with the issues at hand.

In other words to assert that they have a problem with allowing religion in the public square is itself an assertion. So should that assertion rule out the other? And on what basis?

Furthermore, on what basis do morals exist without God? That is the kind of question that lies behind the objections of these columns-which is never truly dealt with.

And whats with the way the article ended? Sounds a little cutting towards Gator fans who are termed "religious".

A question to the writers...and please, be honest with us all, are you both members of the ACLU???

ccsdk. Source your statement
1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
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We have had two QB's at Florida who defined the SEC and national Prominence. Tim Tebow and Danny Wuerffel. Wonder what both have in common on this subject?

"If the response proves anything, it's that the only thing Gator fans take more seriously than their team is their religion."

What a sophomoric way to end a column.

So Tim has bible verse on his eye black.So what?
Danny and other players after him, both college and pro, point to the sky acknowledging God when they score.

If Tim was having bible classes at halftime or circumcising babies during the Gator walk this might be more of an issue.

I'm not religious and don't necessarily like some of the stuff Bob Tebow says but that's beside the point of what happens on the field with his son.

These guys need to start writing about why Tebow can't score in the red zone and leave his religion to a higher power.

OP you are so right on!

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Originally posted by spurdog:
We have had two QBs at UF in my lifetime that were very spiritual and professed their christianity and we have 3 NC trophies to show for it and numerous SEC titles. There was a teenager gang raped in Ca. for 2 hours and you can bet that had one of those witnesses had the convictions of Tim Tebow it would have been much different. If the young man that stabbed the player at Uconn. had the same convictions as Tim that kid would be alive today. Please find something worthy of concern....this isnt it!

And God spoke directly to Charles Manson

Apples and Oranges warfare. Not the same thing but if this is your tactic at discrediting my point arguing with you should be alot of fun....for me!

"But I think that also applies to the columnist who questioned Tebow's father's statements regarding his mission in the Philippines."


The Ft Meyers columnist was pretty foolish to attack Tebow's views of absolute truth of Jesus being the only way to salvation while in the same breath playing he is a Lutheran card as his excuse to write what he did.

Guess what? Look at any Lutheran confessions, be it Augsburg Confession, Large or Small Catechism, etc., and they all share the same view as Tebow does: Jesus is indeed the only way to salvation.

It is laughable for the columnist to attack Tebow's ministry but turning a blind eye to the very fact Lutheranism teaches that there is only one way to God- Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God, Son of Man, and God Himself.

Freedom of Religion & Freedom of Speech.

I think we need either a religious forum or a new rule that any thread that starts out talking about a sports figure doesn't get dumped here.

Failing that we need to start more threads about sports topics and see if they get moved to the sports forum.

If that doesn't work then we find Budvol and see if he will spam the main board with pics of klansmen from Tennessee.

As a last resort we revolt and send Jeff Barlis email saying the Orlando Sentinel's online sports coverage is much better than the Gainesville Sun.We have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.